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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_273/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/DanAla/">Daniel Alagiyawanna</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"><br /><br /><br /><br />Mmh,<br />according to this link, we have currently to distribute 21THOUSAND Square meter PER PERSON living on this planet.<br />Yeah, that is not 10 acres, but half of it!!!<br /><br />IF WE WOULD WANT TO OWN LAND, <br />what I would deny.<br />For me, ACCESS to the land I choose to live on, is enough.<br /></div></div></div><br /><br />It turns out that land "ownership" will diminish in importance if We remove the need for money (exchange - barter, trade, electronic funds, etc.) - a body can only take up so much space.  And I have offered several threads here with info on how to accomplish that, but for the most succinct piece, please see:<br /><br />http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum1/index.php?topic=3167.0]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_187/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/SleekMinister/">SleekMinister</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>Well, if we can establish self sufficient societies utilizing open source technology and weinars where we can learn ore refinement and such, I don't think we need to wait too long. Of course some money must be saved up, and as far as I can tell, the GVCS isn't exactly finished, but I don't think we have to wait decades before these thigns are within reach. About that free energy, any news? I recently discovered that a new nano tech is coming up. It's a film that you can paste on your windows that conducts energy a 1000 times better than copper.</p><br /><p>X-hawk is a hovercraft developed in Israel. Even if you won't get to see the Earth from the moon, at least you can hitch a ride in a flying car.</p><br /><p>Acumen: A thought occurred; With all the waste inherent in capitalism, don't you think that the cost efficiency of cooperation will make up for theft, misuse and recklessness? Some things must be guarded more carefully than others of course. A vault with five keys ccould come in handy.</p><br /><p></div></div></div></p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>Well, the free energy is moving along - solar is free, and that's why TPTB fought it very hard for quite some time. &nbsp;But things are advancing too rapidly to catch ALL the patents and buy them off. &nbsp;Still, none of those offer flying cars, and so I am hoping We get electrogravitics off the ground (pun intended) - as in out of black projects.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 01:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_185/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/SleekMinister/">SleekMinister</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>I hear ya, man. This is one sick world we're living in. Latest I heard, warehouses in my district have started using "voice picking". Imagine having a voice in your head eight hours a day. Wouldn't call that progress. No, sirree. What's so disturbing about all this, is that the ones who do all the work get no piece of the action. People barely get by as it is, and that's now, as our governments take out loans with guarantees on our future to pay for it. The madness is just overwhelming. I take some measure of comfort in it though, 'cause once this monster of&nbsp; a debt wreck collapses, then we have no choice but to face the truth that Confucius, Abraham, Christ and Mohammed all had to wrestle with - we Must get along. There's no New World to escape to and there's no country left that's affordable to exploit. It's all stretched to the limit. And then there's the Internet. Once the conomy goes haywire, where are people going to look for answers? That's right, they're going to look to us (among others). Poiticians will try to make what power grabs they can, but it's a losing struggle, for we are getting stronger by the day, while they are getting fewer and fewer. Economically, it is us that have the upper hand. That's a big We, but you know what I mean. The name of the game is sustainability and that's something giant corporations don't want to hear about. The day will come, and I believe it's fast approaching, when solutions simply <em>has</em> to be found and incorporated on a day to day basis. Poor Greeks, huh?</p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>Ooh, you've heard of the X-Hawk, right?</div></div></div></p><br /><p>Not sure what the X-Hawk is... &nbsp;As far as the solution, add free energy, spend the funnymoney They are creating to push it out into industry, agriculture, transportation and homes. &nbsp;This will take the cost of energy out of those things which will reduce the price. &nbsp;This will reduce the cost of robots, which will allow Us to then focus on robots to replace all necessary jobs no One wants to do - We can spend more funnymoney. &nbsp;Spend funnymoney on social services for those now unemployed by the replacement of Their jobs with robots. &nbsp;The cost of things will drop more, and when all energy is replaced with free energy, and all jobs no One WANTS to do are replaced with robots, the costs will be nil, and the working People will be only those who WANT to do what They are doing, needing no money for needs and wants... &nbsp;And money will be abandoned - the funnymoney spent will be irrelevant, regardless of how much was used.</p><br /><p>In the process, the chaos seed (all societies are chaos systems with the infolded structure (seed) being the "laws," norms, and values) should be spread - as I describe in The End of Entropy. &nbsp;The three Laws, the focus on organics and sustainability, stigmergic governance via the web, open-source programming of all public works, and a focus on following One's bliss.</p><br /><p>With the removal of profit as motive, with the social benefits for good and pariahhood for bad behavior, We will work for BEST solutions, be motivated to contribute as We can to solve problems, and social "superconductance" will occur. &nbsp;No One will HAVE to spend time with those They don't like. &nbsp;No One will have bosses They dread but endure because They "need the job."</p><br /><p>And Humans will be far happier.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_181/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/SleekMinister/">SleekMinister</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>Hehehe, your stubbornness is growing legendary proportions :D Love it. Hope you're not angry at me for not answering you, by the way. On the RBE-thread? As a matter of fact, I had at least two very good reasons. I'll tell you on PM if you must know. For now, let me assure you that I got time to spare. I still think electrogravitics should be Your specialty though. My energy won't come to good use on that one. Cheers</p><br /><p></div></div></div></p><br /><p>Never angry. &nbsp;I always take a lack of response to be tacit agreement... &nbsp;[grin] And as for stubbornness, yes. &nbsp;I want EVERYONE to have the freedom today's elite have. &nbsp;Why should some be relegated to toil when Their bliss is not there? &nbsp;Why should We use Human energy when We don't have to? Why should Some have privilage and Others not? &nbsp;I will be VERY adamant in promoting a way for NONE of Us having to toil when We could build machines to do the toiling (not to say those whose BLISS it is to toil cannot; They are free to do so).</p><br /><p>My grasp of electrogravitics is mostly theoretical and experiential through My father. &nbsp;I promote it because I want to see flying cars and floating cities - like My dad said I would because of His work. &nbsp;Any free energy will remove the need for money - but electrogravitics offers the gravity control.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_179/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/SleekMinister/">SleekMinister</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>Not sure about access, but at the very least, when using open sourced plans for machinery we get an easy way to repair and upgrade. Anyone can look up a part or module and take advantage of an ever increasingly accumulating base of knowledge.</p><br /><p></div></div></div></p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>And as robotics comes into its own, robots can do the fixing... &nbsp;And the work no One WANTS to do.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on his thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/11/money-is-not-needed-in-energy-abundance/view_158/">Money is Not Needed in Energy Abundance</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/robcayman/">Pieter de Beer</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">while i sincerely wish i could agree, i am attempting to transition from the current paradigm to a GRBE paradigm. and simply put, abundant energy does not exist within the current system, and saying anything to the contrary is literally wishful thinking.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>This is where You're wrong. &nbsp;First, My father was a CalTech graduate and was one of the top electrical engineers at one of the foremost aerospace companies in the 1950's. &nbsp;He would come home and excitedly describe His work, and the successful experiments in electrogravitics, including gravity control ("antigravity") and overunity ("free energy"). &nbsp;He would paint for Me a picture of what My world would be like growing up because of His work: &nbsp;cars would fly, cities would float, and We would have all the energy We could use.</p><br /><p>One day He came home and told Me We could not talk about it anymore because, "They want it secret for now."</p><br /><p>Second, the idea there is no free energy is promulgated by the elites who would lose control of Us if We had free energy.</p><br /><p>Here's some links You may want to explore:</p><br /><p>http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE24.html</p><br /><p>http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA227121<br />http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf<br />http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/PDFbin/Biefeld-Brown%20Effect.pdf<br />http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf<br />http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/files/ElectrograviticsElectrokineticsValone.pdf<br />http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Loder.PDF<br />http://users.teilar.gr/~a.a.nass/files/C6.pdf<br />http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/The%20Case%20for%20AntiGravity-booklet.pdf<br />http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/NeuesVerzeichnis/Film_englisch.pdf</p><br /><p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">when we change from one system to another, if we negate the real issues inherent in the current system, we are doomed to repeat the same mistake in whatever system we change to. when i talk about money, i mean the same thing you do, except that i'm looking at the actual nature of 'money' and not the stated purpose of money.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>The "nature" of money is to track things? &nbsp;Perhaps in very recent history, this is so, but the foundation (the basic nature) of money has everything to do with accounting for meaningful energy expended. &nbsp;Here's a quote from eminent economist, Jeremy Rifkin, from His seminal book, <em>Entropy</em>: &nbsp;"Money, after all, is&nbsp;nothing more than stored energy credits." &nbsp;And if You peer into the CFR's publications, You will find They, too, state that money and energy are the same in base meaning.</p><br /><p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">also, to say we have infinite energy, is negating the fact that we live on a finite planet, with finite resources. it is this false understanding that has led to our current predicament. we currently work under the impression that we can continue to consume with no regard to the future, because our planet is so abundant. note please that abundant and infinite are vastly different concepts.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>Are You acquainted with the fact that 70-80% of the universe is comprized of what scientists call "dark" energy (also called zero point, orgone, radiant (Tesla), "vacuum," plenum energy - and other names as well)? &nbsp;Effectively, this is an infinite source of energy and it exists EVERYWHERE. &nbsp;Inside You. &nbsp;Inside Me. and all points outside the both of Us.</p><br /><p>On top of that, the scarcity on this planet is a manufactured illusion. &nbsp;Statistically speaking, Humans don't exist on this planet:</p><br /><ol><li>If all Humans were given 1/4 acre of land in Australia (4% of land mass EXcluding Antarctica), a relatively low population density, there would still be a chunk of Australia left over - and the whole rest of the planet.</li><li>If You placed the volume of all humans into the Grand Canyon, You wouldn't even fill one side canyon.</li><li>If all of Us were placed into the state of Texas, there's be a fair chunk of Texas left over.</li><br /></ol><br /><p>Because We are crowded into small spots on this planet, to connect to grids, it SEEMS like We are overpopulated.</p><br /><p>Food:</p><br /><ol><li>Because We distribute by profit and not need, supermarkets throw out hundreds of thousands of TONS of food a MONTH.</li><li>Because We "fertilize" with nutrient-limited petro-"fertilizers" Our food supply does not supply proper nutrition.</li><li>Organic farming offers equal or better yield to perto-"fertilized" fields - and offer full nutrition</li><li>We pay corporate "farmers" to NOT grow food - to artificially hike prices in supply and demand</li><br /></ol><br /><p>If We distributed by need, farmed organically, and used all farmland, We could feed 10 times the number of Humans presently on this planet. &nbsp;Add new methods, such as vertical farming, and that could go as high as 100 times.</p><br /><p>And as long as there is profit motive, the BEST solutions to problems will fall to the wayside in favor of the cheapest or most profitable (like paying fines instead of cleaning up polution...).</p><br /><p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">i don't mean to argue, but the fact remains that we cannot simply leap into a new pardigm, there must be a transition, anything else results in the misuse of concepts and resources.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>Not arguing at all. [smile] &nbsp;You're debating, and I can appreciate that.</p><br /><p>Surely We can leap into a new paradigm - in Our goals and understanding. &nbsp;And all that We have to do to accomplish the abundance paradigm is:</p><br /><ol><li>Spread awareness of it to the tipping point which will...</li><li>Allow Us to demand the hidden tech which will...</li><li>Begin to remove the cost of energy in industry, agriculture, transportation, and homes, which will...</li><li>Drop prices to where robots for any necessary work no One WANTS to do will be affordable which will...</li><li>Release many from jobs They do not like - and We can support Them eaily though social services - which will...</li><li>See prices drop and drop and drop, until the effort to collect the penny for the week's groceries, the room full of furniture, the house, the [fill in the blank], is more effort than the penny is worth.</li><br /></ol><br /><p>And at that point, money will not be needed.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 17:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on his thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/11/money-is-not-needed-in-energy-abundance/view_156/">Money is Not Needed in Energy Abundance</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/robcayman/">Pieter de Beer</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>okay, so i'm new here, and relatively new to forums, but i think that the monetary system was initially created as a tracking system, and this has only changed in that we now have a system that inflates unjustifiably.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>When I speak of "money," I mean all forms: &nbsp;barter, trade, shells, beads, coins, bills, checks, electronic funds, etc. &nbsp;Such money was not invented to track, but to give credit for meaningful energy expended, as that energy was valued being as it was a scarce "commodity." &nbsp;More energy could always be used.</p><br /><p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">this inflation creates a disparity between actual resources and 'imagined' resources. obviously the current system creates al sorts of problems, and the damage that has been caused seems slightly insurmountable. but if we were to use money purely as a tracking system, to simply make sure we know how much we have of everything and where it all is, we willl be using the scientific method to collect this data. the data can then be used to fix the currently twisted supply/demand chains.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>This is wholely unnecessary. &nbsp;This planet is vastly abundant, and with effectively infinite energy comes the ability to transmute any rare elements We might need. &nbsp;And, in fact, We may be able to create matter from the aether. &nbsp;</p><br /><p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">at the moment, we have a system where the supply can be diverted, increasing demand and driving prices up. this is obviously a profit-based setup. but if it were just a tracking system (no inflation or debt or interest or even the construct of personal ownership) diversion of supply chains would be simple to spot and would doubtfully be tolerated. it would also eliminate the possibility of over-use of any of our precious resources.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>We would not need to track or charge for anything if We had abundant energy flowing to all of Us. &nbsp;You are thinking inside the scarcity paradigm box, where accounting for the meaningful energy expended is a quasi-necessary thing.</p><br /><p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">the point is, there's no going back. we must evolve our constructs and money is just another tool we've created to serve a purpose, and a good workman never blames his tools...</div></div></div></p><br /><p>Certainly, there is no going back. &nbsp;In fact, having abundant energy and robots to do necessary work no One WANTS to do is terra incognita. &nbsp;Society has never functioned under these options, and money would be a very outmoded tool.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_151/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/TZMNetwork/">TZMNetwork</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content">That all depends on your definition of give. I would argue that existing is giving.</div></div></div></p><br /><p>Well, surely if that is the definition One chooses of "giving," then yeah. &nbsp;But I envision Us all following Our bliss, and the "giving" will be in such forms as bliss in solving problems, bliss in programming things, bliss in building things, bliss in co-creating things with Others, bliss in creating art, bliss in teaching, bliss in cooking for others, bliss in researching, bliss in making movies, or acting, or playing an instrument, or singing... &nbsp;If One wants to be a couch potato (few will actually make that choice when They can "afford" Their bliss), One is free to do so. &nbsp;No drain on an abundant system.</p><br /><p>Not sure how choosing to be a couch potato is "giving..." &nbsp;But hey, if it is bliss, then Consciousness is receiving bliss - which the whole point of Consciousness is, in My view.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_144/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/Peter_Jolliffe/">Peter Jolliffe</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>@amaterasu... this couldn't possibly&nbsp; work with any notion of owning property, &nbsp;7 Biilion people cannot have their own 10 acre plot of land and even if they could,&nbsp; there would be nothing but arguments about who 'owns' what 10 acres.</p><br /><p></div></div></div></p><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><br /><p>Let's do some figuring...</p><br /><p>If You gave every Human, from just born to just hanging on 1/4 acre of land in Australia, You would still have a chunk of Australia left over. &nbsp;Australia is 4% of land mass EXcluding Antarctica. &nbsp;Now, most People live in families from 2-about 5 People. &nbsp;So They would collectively have one 10 acre radius. &nbsp;Add to that electrogravitics, which would allow Us to build houses that float, fly, even (along with offering overunity ("free energy")), and a third dimension opens up.</p><br /><p>If One stipulates at the outset that no One can take over a place anOther is living in, fighting will be minimal. &nbsp;The only reason You think People woud fight is because what gives most any given property its value is its views, and its access to energy.</p><br /><p>With views available to all who choose to live in floating, flying houses, with energy local to the houshold, the beachfront property options open vastly. &nbsp;As one example.</p><br /><p>Given that You can take the volume of all Humans on this planet, putting it in the Grand Canyon, and You couldn't even fill one side canyon... &nbsp;Given that You could stand all of Us in the state of Texas and have a fair sized chunk of Texas left over... &nbsp;Given that this suggests that statistically speaking, Humans don't exist on this planet...</p><br /><p>I think it would EASILY work.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_141/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If We had personal "ownership" of things, with virtually whatever We might want available, through robots and People who LOVE creating [whatever], with land ownership limited to say a 10 acre radius for those whose places have that area uninhabited around Them, and for those who do not, the area They would call home and any yard associated, there would be no problems. &nbsp;With free energy, no grid would be needed, removing the restriction to city life, and We could move anywhere on the planet.</p><br /><p>The quality of things will increse, as planned obsolescence is eliminated, as no One is motivated by future sales/profit to make things that break... &nbsp;Minimalism rather than consumerism will be the preference for most with no advertising for profit.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar replied on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/acumen/">Ryan Acumen</a>'s thread "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/forum/thread/8/ownership-vs-access/view_138/">Ownership vs. Access</a>".]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><div class="new_quote"><div class="new_quote_header"><a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/TZMNetwork/">TZMNetwork</a> [PHPFOX_PHRASE]core.said[/PHPFOX_PHRASE]</div><div class="new_quote_content_holder"><div class="new_quote_content"></p><br /><p>Simply put, in a society such as the one advocated on here everyone's job would be to give back to what has given to them, and therefore if it's everyone's job to give back things would be far more superior than they are in the current system.</p><br /><p>The real key is education. If everyone understood that exsistance is a system, and that to have a good exsistance you need to be supporting a good system, then no one would want to create garbage becuase that contibutes to a poor system, such as the one now.</p><br /><p>We all live in a system whether we try to fight it, like now, or move and change with it, like it should be. The more human society is aligned with the natural system of the cosmos the more in harmony we will find ourselves with not only nature but ourselves.</p><br /><p></div></div></div></p><br /><p>Or... &nbsp;We don't HAVE to give anything because the abundant planet gives to Us without the mediation of money or a NEED to work. &nbsp;See My thread, The End of Entropy, and My novella, written in a science "fiction" form, The Abundance Paradigm, available free here:</p><br /><p><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><a href="http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0099cc; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;">http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf</span></a></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar posted a comment on his blog <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/blog/82/why-venus-and-zeitgeist-don-039-t-have-it-quite-right/"> Why Venus and Zeitgeist Don&#039;t Have It Quite Right</a>]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 06:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar posted a comment on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/Michael_Giladi/">Dhalice Giliam</a>'s blog "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/blog/78/quot-discernment-weapon-of-mass-corruption-quot/">&quot;Discernment: weapon of mass corruption&quot;</a>"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Amaterasu Solar posted a comment on <a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/Michael_Giladi/">Dhalice Giliam</a>'s blog "<a href="http://tzmnetwork.com/blog/78/quot-discernment-weapon-of-mass-corruption-quot/">&quot;Discernment: weapon of mass corruption&quot;</a>"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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