Totally rambling yet insight is appreciated. an open discussion...

Most of these questions are derived from a somewhat collective response by some community members which are a result of their own preconceived and prejudiced notions about TZM. So i seek ways to get people involved, and teach them how to drink rather than just lead them to water...
Maybe some of you...

February 22, 2012
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Rhythm Anarchy

I often get into remblin gear myself, which is sometimes good.
Then i go for the simple... "As stated previously, we have the ability to feed, house, provide medical care and a relevant education to all people given what we know, understand and can implement today. We can choose to significantly redu...

I often get into remblin gear myself, which is sometimes good.
Then i go for the simple... "As stated previously, we have the ability to feed, house, provide medical care and a relevant education to all people given what we know, understand and can implement today. We can choose to significantly reduce the problems of crime, poverty, hunger disease and needless suffering if we had a true desire to resolve these technical problems. The dominant culture we have, however, does not promote these goals, and instead manipulate the great majority of us into believing that we should instead strive for individual accomplishment, acquisition and wealth. This is done to promote and preserve the current established institutions and the false authority they have over the majority. The current system we have in place is wasteful, abusive and destructive, both to people and the environment that sustains us. We are rapidly accelerating into an inevitable clash between a financial system that unsustainably and inefficiently borrows against the resources of the earth and its people's lives, and the natural and fundamental laws of nature. We can no longer continue at our current and predicted consumption trends any longer, and to do so would be suicidal at every level of life.

What we propose is submission to the true authority of the laws of nature, and the recognition that we live in a symbiotic and emergent system that requires constant monitoring and adjustment to maintain dynamic equilibrium. We should declare the earth and all its resources as the common heritage of all people, as we recognize that we are transient caretakers of a finite planet. We recognize that all people can work together for the benefit of mankind in a collaborative and cooperative effort to allow each person to reach their highest potential. We can achieve these goals by determining all current resources available to us, analyze all relevant and available data, and act on this information along with previously established scientific principles to produce the infrastructure, goods and services needed to meet all human necessity. In the absence of relevant scarcity, the idea of a scarcity-based market with its attendant principles of currency and private property will become obsolete. We will value human life and the environment that sustains it, not because it is a "good" or "right" thing to do, but it is the only rational course of action if we desire to live and prosper as individuals and as a species.""... https://bitcointalk.org/index. php?topic=5373.80 .....

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We ARE ONE

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February 22, 2012
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Peter Jolliffe

The way I see it, we have to start by uniting together with an identity, hence a name because it's only the 'amount' of people uniting together under that identity that gives us a voice....it's only because a half a million of us call ourselves members of the Zeitgeist movement that get's PJ invite...

February 22, 2012
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We ARE ONE

I hear you Peter, yet there is a time an place to unite under the banner- which isn't always from the start of a relationship. Some people will not listen AT ALL if they know the ideas are being represented by TZM, because of their baggage,(thus my rambling list of questions). Seeking ways to introd...

February 22, 2012
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Peter Jolliffe

It's difficult to know what's best Reba...unfortunately very few of us seem to be having much success in getting other people as excited and interested in an RBE as we are. If every one of the 'almost' a half a million of us could get just 'one' other person just as passionate in a month there woul...

February 22, 2012
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Leigh Fawcett

Due to my past, most of the people I associate with already hold counter-culture views, which makes it easier for me to promote TZM's agenda. It is much easier to do it one-on-one than in a group as I can tailor the message to the individual.
I tend not to mention TZM itself or certain topics, such ...

Due to my past, most of the people I associate with already hold counter-culture views, which makes it easier for me to promote TZM's agenda. It is much easier to do it one-on-one than in a group as I can tailor the message to the individual.
I tend not to mention TZM itself or certain topics, such as moneyless society on at least the first discussion. I find that people respond better when you start from a self-sustainable standpoint to get them interested and asking questions.
Eventually the money thing will come up, and I usually open with something to get their complete attention, like "Do you realize that the money that is in your wallet/purse isn't even worth the amount that it represents?" From this question I usually get "How can that be?" or "What do you mean?" From there I give them the money equals debt speech.
If I still have their attention from this point, THEN I will talk about possible solutions including the RBE and encourage them to view PJ's movies and to join TZM. Although most of the people I talk to don't have (or want) internet access, mostly due to the costs involved.

Obviously, I put forth these(and many other) things over the course of a few discussions, giving them time to absorb and to come up with their own questions.

I think it is much more effective to pose questions which non-aggressively challenge their views and to put the 'seeds' for answers into people's minds than simply bombarding them with information and expecting them to follow logic.

I also think that people respond better to the self sustainability ideas, as from their current money-focused standpoint, they immediately see that it's in their best interest to spend less money on renewable things like food and energy.

I have a group of 5 others who are already chewing at the bit ready to break off and start a self-sustainable community with me, and many more who are interested and will most likely join once a community has been started, with more expressing interest every week. Most of these people seem to hold little-to-none interest in being affiliated with TZM or TVP, but still see the logic in the ideas.

So I believe we CAN promote our train of thought without explicitly, but implicitly referring them to TZM. We just have to educate ourselves on everything that we can to intelligently answer questions, and when you do encounter a question you don't have an answer for, be honest and say you don't know, but be earnest and learn these things you don't know. How can you educate others, if you can't educate yourself?

If you made it to here, thanks for reading massive my wall of text. :D

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Shoto Azikuri

We must sow seeds in individuals. We must give people exactly this train of thought, not some movies or some wider ideas, first of all train of thought.

But for this we must educate ourselves. I highly recommend to all TZM members Jiddu Krishnamurti and his lectures about "Network of thought", it i...

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